RobinD
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Hi All..
Total newbie to climbing here..
this may be a stupid question so please excuse me if it is..
but what is the best Belay to buy? and the Best Karabina (locking)?
I've looked online and found so many diffrent ones that I'm not totally confused.. at the moment I'm only climbing indoors (top rope) however I do want to try some outdoor stuff and am looking for an all round belay if that exists.. my climbing partner is alot heavier than I am if that makes any diffrence to the type needed..
any help on this would be appretiated..
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i am new to the sport as well, and the advice i was given is to not hurry up and get the best gear. the gym should have the materials that you need (to the exception of rope for leading) , the only thing you should worry about are the shoes and the harness.
everyone i have come across has told me " don't worry about getting the best gear, work more on your technique before getting better gear." even my shoes and harness aren't top of the line, just get something that are good for begginers
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To answer that first question, on the carabiner -
anyone deciding to get into rock climbing should buy a few basic essential items to start off with. Being - Shoes, chalk bag, a harness (climbing certified obviously) a locking carabiner, and a belay device. If you ever plan on belaying someone I would suggest a auto-locking carabiner, or a threaded carabiner to make sure your locked off. You and your partner should always go through a check of eachother before climbing, every single time. Just listen for the click of the locking carabiner.
I'm fairly new myself to the sport, although I've taken a few classes on how to climb, and do it safely. If your really into climbing like you think I would suggest reading a book called Rock Climbing: Mastering the basic skills which is part of the mountaineers collection. That book gives a full description of rock climbing and how to do it safely for yourself and your partner.
About your gear situation - that is very true about not buying all the gear when your new to the game, go as cheap as possible but don't go cheap on anything like a harness or carabiners., especially don't ever buy it off someone else since you don't know what it's been through.
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There is a section just for new climber's to find out anything they want to know about the sport of climbing,and it's called "Ask A Super Member" Just for you to ask question's about climbing !!! So, feel free to ask question's GO AHEAD ASK AND YOU WILL RECIEVE
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chilli
Technical Climber
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hey robin. there was a similar discussion recently under the thread "hello" in gear & equipment (or just follow that link). as far as an "all around belay device" goes, you'll probably want to look into an ATC or another similar tube-style belay device. black diamond makes the ATC and they're quality for the price. petzl makes the reverso, which is good for lead, and so is black diamond's ATC-Guide. it sounds like you're sticking mostly to the gym though, so a simple double-slotted ATC (NOT the ATC-Sport) will work fine for you. hope that helps (more info about other equip in other thread).
regardless of which way you go with your equipment and gear, please always remember it's the knowledge of the climber that makes for a good and safe climb and not the gear. so please make sure you always climb with someone experienced who can show you the ropes and remember safety and knowledge FIRST.
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That's good advise, to get instruction w/any avenue of unchartered climbing. My advise is to learn on an atc: air traffic controller,as it is the easiest to learn to use. Still, even at best get proper instruction on how to use it ok?
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I'm gonna have to agree with Chilli here. Don't rush, step up slowly as you learn, that way you not only learn to use it properly, but your learning what tools to use for the job.
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Just purchesed (and used) the following:
-New Reverso, the grooved spacers are a real plus, to an already great device.
-Trango Cinch, love it. For the price, I dont think it can be beat.
The BD ATC Guide is great as well.
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davey569
Cut-loose Expert
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in my opinion, its totally up to you which belay you buy. whatever you feel comfortable using, just try a few different ones out and see which one you like. you could always just use an italian hitch though, all you need is a biner
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chilli
Technical Climber
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 | davey569 posted the following on Tuesday 26th February 2008 ...you could always just use an italian hitch though, all you need is a biner
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that's kind of interesting.... i've only heard it consistently called an italian hitch on this site and by people in GB (and maybe some of europe). i learned it to be the munter hitch (named for Werner Munter - Swiss) or HMS (from some german root, but i don't remember what). it kind of makes me wonder about the root of calling it an italian hitch (i often spend idle time pondering liguistics - it's kind of cool when you think about it). you don't know the story by chance do you, davey?
good mostly just for getting out of a tight spot (when without a belay device), but it's an absolutely INTEGRAL part of the climber's toolbox though.
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davey569
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afraid not, and google wasnt much help either!
i will definately look into it though. 
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ffemt
Technical Climber
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HMS - the abbreviation for the German term Halbmastwurfsicherung, meaning 'half mast hitch belay.'
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davey569
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interesting, i cant get the prenounciation of that though. lol.
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